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Personally, I think this page looks rather cluttered and I would like to propose the chronology is presented in an easy to read table format, with colours instead of typesetting indicating canonicity. The below is a proposed sample for the Buffy Season 1: Autumn 1996 – Summer 1997 section. --Paul van Gent 14:40, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
| Type | Title/Description |
|---|---|
| TV Episode | B1.01 Welcome to the Hellmouth |
| TV Episode | B1.02 The Harvest |
| Novel | Novelization of The Harvest |
| TV Episode | B1.03 The Witch |
| TV Episode | B1.04 Teacher's Pet |
| Novel | Xander Years 1: Teacher's Pet |
| Novel | Halloween Rain |
| Novel | Coyote Moon |
| Novel | Night of the Living Rerun |
| TV Episode | B1.05 Never Kill a Boy on the First Date |
| TV Episode | B1.06 The Pack |
| Novel | Xander Years 1: The Pack |
| TV Episode | B1.07 Angel |
| Comic | Buffy comic: MacGuffins |
| TV Episode | Buffy the Animated Series: Pilot |
| Comic | Dream-sequence from After These Messages ... We'll Be Right Back! |
| TV Episode | B1.08 I, Robot... You, Jane |
| Novel | Willow Files 2: I Robot, You Jane |
| TV Episode | B1.09 The Puppet Show |
| TV Episode | B1.10 Nightmares |
| TV Episode | B1.11 Out of Mind, Out of Sight |
| Novel | Cordelia Collection, Vol 1: Out of Mind, Out of Sight |
| TV Episode | B1.12 Prophecy Girl |
| Short-story | How I Survived My Summer Vacation: Dust |
| Short-story | How I Survived My Summer Vacation: Absalom Rising |
| Short-story | How I Survived My Summer Vacation: Looks Can Kill |
| Short-story | How I Survived My Summer Vacation: No Place Like... |
| Short-story | How I Survived My Summer Vacation: Uncle Dead and the Fourth of July |
| Short-story | How I Survived My Summer Vacation: The Show Must Go On |
- I would be in favor of moving to a tabular format, but I would prefer a color scheme that better matches the theme of the website. DinoSlider 14:56, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Good point, you seem like a pretty prolific editor. Do you know anything about the preferred RGB colours? --Paul van Gent 17:37, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think there are "preferred" colors, but some of the more prevalent color codes are: D3E1F2, 334455, and 3F256D. As long as as it doesn't clash too much, I'm sure it'll be fine. DinoSlider 20:17, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Hi DinoSlider, I saw that you changed from using colour codes to using named styles, but somehow they seem not to work, the colors have gone :( --Paul van Gent 07:08, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
- You might have a cached version of the old stylesheet. Try clearing your cache and try again. What browser are you using? DinoSlider 04:02, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I'm having the same issue, using both Safari and Firefox on the Mac. Emptied cache on both to no avail. I do know Safari has a history of keeping CSS style info even when reloading a page — do you know where the style sheet lives? Sometimes loading that page individually (and then reloading it) will force reloading of the styles, which may solve the problem. Tohubohu (my site) 11:21, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
- Same issue's showing up in IE7 for Windows. The style definitions aren't coming through at all. Tohubohu (my site) 14:04, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
- You might have a cached version of the old stylesheet. Try clearing your cache and try again. What browser are you using? DinoSlider 04:02, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
- Hope I haven't been stepping on anyone's toes (I'm new here, and to the Buffyverse in general), but once I saw the page was starting to be updated to the new style, I thought I'd pitch in -- I'm pretty obsessive about timelines and such. I definitely concur that styles will make things easier (especially if they give us the option for customizing colors later), but alas, they don't appear to be working (yet). One other question -- if we're doing styles, is there a way to set the style of the table to render by default in normal text instead of bold? That way we could just use normal wiki markup inside. Just an idea. Tohubohu 11:04, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, and FYI -- the new formatting works much better on mobile devices, which is as often as not how I'm looking at the page. So thanks, there. Tohubohu 11:06, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
- Hi DinoSlider, I saw that you changed from using colour codes to using named styles, but somehow they seem not to work, the colors have gone :( --Paul van Gent 07:08, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think there are "preferred" colors, but some of the more prevalent color codes are: D3E1F2, 334455, and 3F256D. As long as as it doesn't clash too much, I'm sure it'll be fine. DinoSlider 20:17, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Good point, you seem like a pretty prolific editor. Do you know anything about the preferred RGB colours? --Paul van Gent 17:37, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Now that it is in a table, wouldn't it make sense to separate out the Title/Description column? I see four potential columns: title, year, location, and description. Opinions? DinoSlider 00:10, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
- I certainly wouldn't be averse to the idea. The only question is how much of that information would be repetitive. Useful in the historical sections, yes, but once we get into the seasons themselves, I think there would be a lot of repeated years and "Sunnydale" or "Los Angeles" entries. Just a thought, though -- I haven't been kicking around here long enough to have a heavyweight opinion; I just like to fiddle about with timelines. Tohubohu (my site) 02:43, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, here's an option: What do you think? The "decryption" section makes the page closer to being a true "chronology" as opposed to being just a list of entries. Ideally, we could make that description section collapsible so as to avoid spoilers, but (a) I don't know if we have the collapsible table options set up on this wiki, and (b) I'm not sure how well nested collapsible tables work. (There's some info on adding the necessary JavaScript and css code here, but it would take some work for someone to set up and test. Maybe for the next iteration.) In any case, below is a first stab at it, without the collapsible option (though the background colors still aren't working at the moment). Tohubohu (my site) 18:15, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
| Type | Title/Description | Time/Location |
|---|---|---|
| TV Episode (Flashback) | B7.15 Get It Done | Africa, Prehistory |
| Sineya, the First Slayer, is created by the Shadow Men. | ||
| Comic | Tales of the Slayers: Prologue | Africa, Prehistory |
| The First Slayer is rejected by her village and instructed to fight alone. | ||
| Short Story | Tales of the Slayer I: A Good Run | Greece, 490 BCE |
| In order to protect an important messenger, the Slayer Thessily must run 300 miles in three days while fending off vampires. | ||
| TV Episode (Flashback) | B7.05 Selfless | Sjornjost, Sweden, 880 |
| Aud transforms Olaf into a demon, and is herself dubbed the vengeance demon Anyanka by D’Hoffryn. | ||
| Short Story | Tales of the Slayer II: Lady Shobu | Sagami Province, Japan, 980 |
| Kishi Minomoto is summoned as a Slayer and sent to locate demons, only to discover that her Watcher is not who he claims to be. | ||
| Short Story | Tales of the Slayer III: Dark of the Moon | 1229 and 1250 |
| A Slayer is trained but becomes frustrated when she fails to fulfill her duty through no fault of her own. | ||
| Short Story | Tales of the Slayer II: Abomination | Beauport, Brittany, France, 1320 |
| The Slayer Eliane resists being called, but after the death of her son, she eventually passes the Slayer title to her infant daughter. | ||
| TV Episode (Flashback) | B1.08 I, Robot... You, Jane | 1418 |
| Moloch’s soul is trapped in a tome by an order of monks. | ||
| Short Story | Tales of the Slayer IV: The Rule of Silence | Seville, Spain, 1481 |
| The Marrano Slayer Esperanza de la Vega is condemned as a heretic. | ||
| Comic | Tales of the Slayers: Righteous | England, 16th Century |
| A Slayer operates within a walled medieval town during a period of witch hunts. | ||
| Short Story | Tales of the Slayer I: The White Doe | London, 1586 |
| An English Slayer among the Croatoans is transformed into a white doe when she refuses the advances of a wizard. |
Okay, so thanks to DinoSlider's diligence, the text-weight issue is resolved. But the background colors still aren't showing up. Now I'm wondering if the style definition is set for just a single user, or a subset of users (which would explain why DinoSlider sees it while Paul van Gent and I don't). Unfortunately, I'm not experienced enough to know for sure. Ideas? Tohubohu (my site) 02:55, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Bonus weirdness: It's showing up correctly on the mobile version of the site (i.e., colors and all), while not on the desktop version. I have no idea what that means... maybe a lag time in propagating the style sheet across different versions? Tohubohu (my site) 17:21, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Got it! For people using the new Wikia layout, the Common.css code isn't used anymore. The CSS in question has to be transferred to the new Wikia.css page. Once that's done (which, again, requires an admin), then the display should be all set for everyone. Tohubohu (my site) 21:51, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
Still the background colors don't show up (using New Wikia look). Also, its good to have information of each event and who is involved as opposed to just the titles.--Gonzalo84 23:30, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
Spike: Magical Mystery Tour, featuring the beetles
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I think that the placement of that story is incorrect as it takes place when Spike is returning to Earth, some time after the Spike mini-series and before the Last Gleaming sotyline, so why is it placed between Season 8 and Season 9?
Adriano1995 16:41, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
Pretty sure you're right. For my part, I'm going through the Buffyverse works (many of them, anyway) chronologically, and am working on verifying the After the Fall "season" now (where there are also some issues with the noncanon Angel stories written before ATF that I'm trying to accurately place), so I haven't gotten into Season 8 yet. But my understanding is that the conclusion of S:MMTFTB takes place during Last Gleaming. At the very least, it makes more sense to place this story before Last Gleaming in the timeline, unless we want to split up the storyline entries more. S:MMTFTB has date references throughout (or at least day counts), but I'm not sure if we've got such accurate dating for the rest of Season 8. For now, I'll at least place it before Last Gleaming, unless someone wants to do a more detailed breakdown.
Fundamentally, I think the placement of the story at the beginning of Season 9 was just a tentative assignment given the publication date of the story -- before a lot of people (myself included) had been able to read it. Good catch.