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As I stated in a recent note in Talk:Soul, there are countless times throughout both series that it is noted that demons do have souls. This description paints a picture contrary to buffyverse facts in this regard. Much like the Soul page, it is well written but not a lot of the facts come from the buffyverse but instead seem to be opinion. In the least this should be edited to include the fact that demon's souls exist yet differ on a fundamental level. This level is, like much of the Soul page, open to debate. I'm looking for more fact and less fluff, the fluff is fun to read but I think a wiki should have facts. Hakatri 19:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)Hakatri
- Agreed. At least some demons have souls. For instance, D'Hoffryn specifically states that undoing Anya's massacre costs "the life and soul of a vengeance demon" (Halfrek's in that case). Accordingly, it isn't correct to suggest that the lack of a soul is a distingushing factor as the article does. Amuk 20:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. Vampires and Mok'tagar demons don't have souls, others do. Lorne, for example, quite obviously does. -- Noneofyourbusiness 20:30, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
If by "soul", you mean human soul then demons have no souls. But demons have an spiritual side (like vampires for example).--Gonzalo84 19:32, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
No simply the statement (which is direct and indirectly noted throughout this page) that demons have no soul. It's stated many times like Amuk's example above, that demon's do indeed have souls. Maybe tweaking this page to match the first statement which is that they don't have a 'human soul', as you questioned about Gonza, and making that connection to all the 'soul' references on the page.
I've always had a problem with this article. Its not poorly written overall, but it does look extremely messy. Paragraphing needs to be sorted out at points and I think subheadings would really benefit the article, maybe some examples of demon classes (not species, although a list would be nice), but pure-breed, half-breed etc. And of all things, would it really hurt to add pictures? I mean if people agree, perhaps I can get to work on it, but I really don't have all the knowledge regarding demons in the buffyverse having only watched Buffy through twice and Angel through once.--Benxander 17:35, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
vampires have no soul Edit
some demons have souls but vampires dont becouse angel and spike had to get souls they didnt have souls before.