Talk:Willow Rosenberg
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I don't believe it's necessary to state characters' status from Fray's perspective. Presumably most everyone from the show is dead in Fray's world. The fact that Willow happened to live until Fray's time before dying doesn't change her current status. Accordingly, I think we should remove "Deceased in the future, if looked at from Fray's perspective." and leave it as "Alive." Amuk 23:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- I disagree. She has a confirmed death scene: for all intents and purposes, Willow is done. This is no prophesy, this is real. Because of the existence of the Fray comics, Buffy is now in the "past" while Fray is the "present." But what really matters in this case is the fact that we have a confirmed death scene.
Take Anya for example. There are still stories being written that take place before she died - that doesn't make her any less dead.
Frankly, in this universe, it's kinda pointless to label someone dead or alive anyway: they'll probably be back.
So yeah. I vote for straight up "Deceased." But at least we agree that the "from Fray's point of view" thing needs to go. Din's Fire 997 20:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- I like the "c. 2,200 AD" change a lot. That's the perfect way to handle it. Amuk 12:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
- Ahhh semantics, fun fun! From Fray's perspective, Fray is in present. From Buffy's perspective, Buffy is in present. Define present. My opinion, this can only defined once Status is defined. Because of the existence of the Fray comics, Buffy is now in the "past" while Fray is the "present. Based on what? This is opinion; I say we are in present and the existence of Frays books are a look into the future. The Anya example is not the same, Anya is dead "at present", the stories written are of the past, not the future. So to take your example further, if there were a book written about Anya being resurrected in the future, would her status be alive 3023, or dead?Leaving the buffyverse for a moment, example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_2099
Seriously? lol. It boils down to deciding what is present. Is it relative to our universe's present, or the existence of any future book. Hakatri 12:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Hakatri
- A recent talking point in the Central discussion was regarding page tense, and it has now been established that all events in the Buffyverse shall, for the sake of our editing, take place in the past. Buffy, Angel, Fray, all of them have already occured, for the sake of uniformity and clearity of prose. So, since the "present" is now defined as "sometime after everthing," it can be derived that Willow should be labeled as "dead."
Frankly, I'd just as soon see the whole "status" line removed from the infobox for just this reason: with time travel, ressurections and ghosts, it's impossible to tell who's really alive. Din's Fire 997 19:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm on board with that; I agree too, that status can change from moment to moment. Something firm needed to be established and it sounds like it was taken care of. cool :) Hakatri 19:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Hakatri
- The fact that we used past tense to describe events doesn't mean she should be listed as "dead". If we use Fray's future as a reference point, then Buffy, Xander, Dawn, Giles and Andrew should also be listed as dead--Gonzalo84 20:52, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
- A recent talking point in the Central discussion was regarding page tense, and it has now been established that all events in the Buffyverse shall, for the sake of our editing, take place in the past. Buffy, Angel, Fray, all of them have already occured, for the sake of uniformity and clearity of prose. So, since the "present" is now defined as "sometime after everthing," it can be derived that Willow should be labeled as "dead."
- Ahhh semantics, fun fun! From Fray's perspective, Fray is in present. From Buffy's perspective, Buffy is in present. Define present. My opinion, this can only defined once Status is defined. Because of the existence of the Fray comics, Buffy is now in the "past" while Fray is the "present. Based on what? This is opinion; I say we are in present and the existence of Frays books are a look into the future. The Anya example is not the same, Anya is dead "at present", the stories written are of the past, not the future. So to take your example further, if there were a book written about Anya being resurrected in the future, would her status be alive 3023, or dead?Leaving the buffyverse for a moment, example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_2099
- I like the "c. 2,200 AD" change a lot. That's the perfect way to handle it. Amuk 12:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Willow is alive!
You said buffy was in the past? No Buffy is current, Fray is in the future. Why not put buffy as deceased or everyone else in buffy? Willow is still alive and active at this point!
- I agree. I think the same as you. Buffy is in the current, Fray's future is a posible future, but that future can change. so I think willow´s status is alive. What we can do is a separate page of Future Dark Willow, because thay aren't the same, i think, and put that willow's status: dead. what do you think?¿ --Trebio 13 july 2009
- Willow is alive in the present and that is what should be listed as status.--Gonzalo84 06:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
